Legislature(2011 - 2012)BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)

01/31/2011 08:00 AM Senate EDUCATION


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= SB 3 FUNDING FOR SCHOOL MEALS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 3(EDC) Out of Committee
*+ SB 1 BD OF ED./EARLY DEVELOPMENT ANNUAL REPORT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
                SB   3-FUNDING FOR SCHOOL MEALS                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
8:03:24 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER announced  the consideration of SB  3. He reminded                                                               
committee  members that  [CSSB 3(  ),  version B  was before  the                                                               
committee.]                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:04:59 AM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTY HARVEY,  Staff to Senator  Bill Wielechowski,  sponsor of                                                               
SB 3, said this is an  important bill and a great investment both                                                               
for  the  short and  long  term  effects  for Alaska  and  Alaska                                                               
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER asked what the federal match currently is.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARVEY  answered that currently  there is a federal  match of                                                               
about $32  million and  the school outlay  is about  $58 million.                                                               
The remainder  of that is partially  made up by students  who pay                                                               
for their  meals. There  is only about  a $2.1  million shortfall                                                               
that  the  schools  take  out of  their  operating  budgets,  she                                                               
explained.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER asked if there  are any concerns about the federal                                                               
match going away.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARVEY  answered no;  not in the  recent past.  She explained                                                               
that this  program usually  seems to always  have a  fairly solid                                                               
federal base.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
At ease from 8:07 a.m. to 8:09 a.m.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:09:35 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MEYER  asked  Ms.  Harvey  if  she  could  explain  the                                                               
difference between the original bill and version B.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HARVEY  answered that  the  original  bill states  that  the                                                               
department would provide  a base amount of 15 cents  for lunch or                                                               
35  cents for  breakfast. This  language, she  explained, implied                                                               
that  a school  did  not  have to  do  both.  However, there  was                                                               
concerned that  this could be  challenged or confused by  some of                                                               
the different  school departments.  For this reason  the language                                                               
was changed from "or"  to "and" in the CS [page  1, line 8]. This                                                               
makes it  clearer that  schools can  apply for  both a  lunch and                                                               
breakfast program.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS asked for confirmation that this is version B.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARVEY replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
At ease from 8:11 a.m. to 8:14 a.m.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:14:22 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER  clarified with Ms.  Harvey that the  committee is                                                               
working with CSSB 3( ), version B.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARVEY replied yes. She  reiterated that it was important for                                                               
schools  to know  that both  funds  could be  received. For  this                                                               
reason  the current  committee substitute  reads:  "15 cents  for                                                               
lunch  and 35  cents for  breakfast"  [page 1,  line 8].  Whereas                                                               
version M reads: "15 cents for lunch or 35 cents for breakfast".                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  asked if that  was the  way the fiscal  note was                                                               
prepared.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARVEY answered yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:15:46 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  said that  he understands  some parents  may not                                                               
have  the  financial  stability to  feed  their  children  before                                                               
school  and  that  the  state  must  step  in  to  take  on  that                                                               
responsibility. The problem, however,  with regard to the success                                                               
of  K-12 education  in Alaska,  is that  many students  arrive at                                                               
college  unready to  compete. He  asked when  breakfast is  being                                                               
served and if it is affecting the educational day.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARVEY answered  that it is her  understanding that breakfast                                                               
is  served before  the  school  day begins.  She  added that  she                                                               
believes this program is an  enhancement to the education process                                                               
and not a distraction.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked who supports this bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARVEY  answered that all  of the school boards,  nurses, and                                                               
teachers that she has spoken to are in support of SB 3.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  what Department  of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development's (DEED) stance is.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HARVEY  replied that  the  department  has taken  a  neutral                                                               
stance on the bill.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said he thinks DEED  needs to comment. He said he                                                               
wants to  know why  the department  is not  taking a  position on                                                               
this bill.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS  agreed.  He  said  that  if  this  is  such  an                                                               
important issue,  as people  have been  indicating, it  seems the                                                               
department would  take that position.  DEED should at  least give                                                               
an explanation as to why it has taken a neutral stance.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER said  that the state currently has  a good federal                                                               
match if the  state contributes the amount laid out  in SB 3. His                                                               
explained  that his  concern is  if that  federal match  is taken                                                               
away then the duty falls on the state.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:20:25 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS asked  why DEED is unwilling to take  a stance on                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ELIZABETH  NUDELMAN,   Director,  Division  of   School  Finance,                                                               
Department of  Education and  Early Development  (DEED), answered                                                               
that DEED does not  have a position on the bill  and are here for                                                               
technical assistance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said  this causes him concern and  seems to imply                                                               
that if  DEED is not  supporting the bill  then it is  opposed to                                                               
it.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NUDELMAN replied  that she  does not  want the  committee to                                                               
pick between the  two stances for the  department's position. She                                                               
reiterated that DEED can provide  technical assistance and answer                                                               
any questions but the department does  not have a position on the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS said  that he  understands  that DEED  currently                                                               
does  not have  a commissioner;  however, in  order to  deal with                                                               
many of  these issues one is  needed. He continued that  it seems                                                               
unacceptable that DEED  is unwilling to testify for  or against a                                                               
bill that affects education so much.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. NUDELMAN  replied that the department's  commissioner will be                                                               
on staff this  week and she hopes  he will be able  to speak with                                                               
the  committee  soon.  She  repeated   that  she  can  only  give                                                               
technical assistance on the bill.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS  suggested  that,  if  this  is  the  case,  the                                                               
committee should  hold any issues  on education until there  is a                                                               
commissioner who is ready to speak  on the issues that need to be                                                               
addressed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS  asked  what  kind  of  technical  assistance  Ms.                                                               
Nudelman could provide to the committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. NUDELMAN answered  that DEED prepared the fiscal  note for SB
3 and  she would be  happy to go through  it if the  committee is                                                               
interested.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS replied that this  was not necessary. She suggested                                                               
that the acting commissioner testify before the committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER agreed. He suggested  that the acting commissioner                                                               
speak to the policy side of the bill.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:25:48 AM                                                                                                                    
LES  MORSE,  Acting  Commissioner, Department  of  Education  and                                                               
Early Development (DEED), said he can  only add that this bill is                                                               
not in  the governor's budget  and is  a policy decision  left in                                                               
the hands  of the legislature.  He stressed that the  argument is                                                               
not about  whether food  and nutrition is  important or  not, the                                                               
department is only staying neutral to  how the means of that food                                                               
is provided.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:27:39 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  moved to report  CSSB 3(  ), version B  from the                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations  and attached  fiscal                                                               
note(s). There  being no  objection, CSSB  3(EDC) moved  from the                                                               
Senate Education Standing Committee.                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
AARP Letter.pdf SEDC 1/31/2011 8:00:00 AM
Druce Letter of Support.pdf SEDC 1/31/2011 8:00:00 AM